![]() | DrumBeat: December 5, 2006 | The Oil Drum | Council on Foreign Relations -"National Security Consequences of Oil Dependency" | ![]() |
![]() | Ukraine vs Russia: Tales of pipelines and dependence | The Oil Drum: Europe | Fuel duty and the effect of oil prices on the UK economy | ![]() |
Blogroll
- ASPO The official site of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil & Gas.
- Energy Bulletin Clearing house for news regarding the peak in global energy supply.
- PowerSwitch Dedicated to raising awareness & discussion of the impending & permanent decline of cheap oil & gas supply.
- ODAC Oil Depletion Analysis Centre working to raise awareness and promote better understanding of the world's oil-depletion problem.
- Global Public Media Public service broadcasting for a post carbon world.
- Post Carbon Institute Learning to live in a low energy world.
- PeakOil.com US site and forum to educate and promote awareness of global hydrocarbon depletion.
- FEASTA The Foundation for the Economics of Sustainability
- Tradable Energy Quotas (TEQs) This website describes an effective and fair response both to climate change and oil/gas depletion
- Aleklett's Energy Mix Global Energy Systems, Peak Oil, etc
Other Blogs
User login
Personnel
Editors
Contributors
Peak Oil Primers
Archives
- December 2008
- November 2008
- October 2008
- September 2008
- August 2008
- July 2008
- June 2008
- May 2008
- April 2008
- March 2008
- February 2008
- January 2008
- December 2007
- November 2007
- October 2007
- September 2007
- August 2007
- July 2007
- June 2007
- May 2007
- April 2007
- March 2007
- February 2007
- January 2007
- December 2006
- November 2006
- October 2006
- September 2006
- August 2006
- July 2006
- June 2006
- May 2006
- April 2006
- March 2006
Vital Trivia
License
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License.




GAIA Host Collective
The last time we switched gas supplies, from Town Gas to Natural Gas, we changed all of our household burner nozzles to accomodate the different gas calorific value.
I have a belief that it will be different this time. Rather than anerobically heating coal to obtain the gas (and then using the resultant coke for steel production) this time we'll use a pure oxygen entrained flow gasification process to yeild CO and H2 (Town Gas) and ash.
This will produce more gas for a ton of coal but will produce no coke.
Then, instead of changing the huge amount of gas infrastructure we've accumulated since the 60's, what we'll do is use a FT type process to produce methane (aka Natural Gas) with the Town Gas mix.
This will enable us to continue using all of our existing distribution and consumption infrastructure.
I would expect such coal gasification facilities to be based very close to coal import facilities such as the ports at Bristol etc.
I would also expect to see the complete decline of Natural Gas electricity generation. Plus many households may transition onto storage type heating using surplus Nuclear electricity generated during the night.
Of course, that assumes we have the gumption to build new nuclear facilities soon. Which I fear, we may not.
Oh, and we could do with a few million PassivHauses too.
Andy
Empirically it seems to me that changing the nozzles might be less expensive, and it's done just once. Going for methane an EROEI loss would have to be permanently accepted. The problem is that you can't change the nozzles at every place at the same time.
This is a very important observation, though I don't know any system that allows you to do that. Electric companies would have a much easier task if it weren't for the variations on demand from daytime to nighttime. If those curves on the last graph were straight lines instead, a lot of waste would be spared on the switch on/off processes.
This was exactly the problem we had the last time. People aren't allowed to modify or work on gas appliances. It has to be done by an approved technician.
In the 60's there were far fewer users of gas appliances than there are now. The changeover would be immense.
What would drive the decision would be the selling price of the gas. If it is high enough then it will be economical to build FT plants. If not then conversion might be cheaper. Remember what we're effectively doing here is comparing capital costs (for FT or conversion) with ongoing inefficiency costs. History has shown that lower capital costs will win if we can accept the higher running costs. Especially if these can easily be passed on to the final consumer.
There is also another issue with Town Gas. It is very poisonous. The CO content can easily asphyxiate someone if there is a gas leak. Indeed before Natural Gas ovens a common method of suicide was to stick your head in a gas oven and turn on the gas.
With Natural Gas all you get is a splitting headache and you'll maybe pass out, but you won't usually die.
Because of this I think there would be a central government & consumer preference for "safer" natural gas.
That said, I think there is definite scalability issue with this route.
"I would also expect to see the complete decline of Natural Gas electricity generation. Plus many households may transition onto storage type heating using surplus Nuclear electricity generated during the night"
"This is a very important observation, though I don't know any system that allows you to do that."
In the UK there are many common storage heating systems used in houses and flats. Indeed my house used to have a storage type heating system until I ripped it out and threw it in the local dump.
They operate on the priniple of heating up large heavy ceramic bricks and then allowing them to release their heat when electricity is expensive. Unfortunatly they are difficult to control and are ugly to look at.
Mine met their demise due to their age and cosmetics.
I now run direct heat electrical resistance heating. I try not to run it at peak periods.
Andy
What makes them popular of course is the price differential which is about three times higher rate for day vs night electricity usage. And then the underlying reason is that most of the generation comes baseload nuclear and coal. No natural gas in Bulgaria. Hydro is used for balancing, but the need for demand side management to smooth the peaks is also obvious.
Gas is burnt in domestic devices but squirting it through a first nozzle to produce a fast flow, sucking air through an adjacent aperture to mix with the gas by a venturi effect and the passing the mixture through a second nozzle and burning it as it emerges.
In this way you get complete combustion rather than just the hydrogen burning leaving some of the carbon as soot.
The gas air mixture has to emerge from the second nozzle at somewhat higher than the flame propagation velocity in that gas. As the gas spreads out from the nozzle it speed drops to be below the flame velocity. The flame point will stably sit at the distance away from the nozzle that the gas velocity equals the flame velocity.
If the gas emerges too slowly through the nozzle the flame will blow back through it to the first nozzle. If it is too fast the flame front will be too far away from the nozzle and be prone to being blown out by draughts.
I remember our house being changed over. It was done area by area and our house was without gas for about 6 hours while the change was made.
With good pipe insulation the efficiency of such systems can be more than 50% - higher than the efficiency of gasification + F-T conversion. In addition such systems can utilise the waste heat from thermal plants, the fuel maybe waste biomass etc.
With population continuing to concentrate in big cities, I see at least 50% of the households covered by central heating. The main obstacle is that someone will have to commit to spending the huge resources for it, but better do it now, while we are still not pressed to implement partial and ineffective solutions.